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Ragging – Can’t be eradicated??

March 18, 2009

             Last week a life has been lost due to the thugs in the name of students. The reason behind it is ragging, a culture which is being followed in many a colleges by the senior students. Its happening everywhere in this country. But it seems like, it has been happening more in engineering and medical colleges. That’s how it is getting interpreted. You all may have known the medical college student died due to ragging. But what could have been missed from your notice is suicide attempt of a girl due to ragging in Guntur, Andhra Pradesh. It will be shocking to hear what has been done to her. Her seniors forced her to dance in nude in front of them. She is an agricultural engineering student. And well, you must have known now, how evil the minds of an engineering or medical student.

          It is said to be that, ragging is a kind of culture which helps to build a good relationship between junior and senior students. There are some fun things which will build some great rapport between them. But what’s happening now or you can take some last 20 years, it is going overboard. It involves physical torture, getting money from the juniors and other things that can’t be said. Those who are the seniors in the college (not all) will think themselves as the king of the college and wants the juniors to do all kind of respects to them. I can say this is an f#@$%ing practice and it has done enough damage. Even I had great rapo with my juniors. But I never ragged them. All you have to do is, talk with them like your bro.

          Whatever we have got in newspaper is very little. I believe that with everybody of you went through the college; you would have bitter experiences about this. When I read that the medical college student was died after beating, it didn’t surprise me. Because, it happened in my college. The seniors (be it my set students or the previous years) used to beat the juniors continuously during nights. I don’t know what is the kind of happiness they are getting out of this? They are thinking that beating juniors is their birth right. I don’t think they are eligible to study or anything. How a person who doesn’t know how to respect another can claim himself an educated person? This is a crime which goes unnoticed and the offenders were left unpunished. The main thing here is that, the students who were going through the ragging will be under enormous stress, which may lead him/her to take adverse decisions.

Colleges:

        The college authorities can easily kill this practice. But they didn’t take enough steps to stop this. I don’t know why. If a student gets beaten and complaining it to them, without taking action against those miscreants they are letting it go. This acts as a stimulant for those thugs and will beat those who complained against them. If a person is physically assaulted means it can be complained to police. But these colleges to keep up their reputations don’t moves there and not punishing the misbehavers. Now all it took is a loss of a precious life to look into this one seriously. If they could have done this previously means this wouldn’t have happened. If a student was killed just by beating itself, just see the intensity of it. Now the college president has resigned. Who wants his resignation? Will it bring back that young man?

Parents:       

        Parents are also reluctant in these issues. In both the cases, the students have told about this to their parents but they didn’t take that seriously. They believe that everything will be fine and college will take care of their son/daughter. If at all they have shown more concern about this means, this could have been stopped. They have missed the time to act and they are suffering now.

Why engineering and medical colleges:

          The reason why it is seems to be prominent in medical and engineering colleges is, the news were coming out from there. The reasons could be:

  • As most of the engineering and medical are brilliant brains; they can’t cope up with those physical tortures and they are also not ready to voice out their concerns.
  • Being an engineering or medical student, they have to stay in hostel which makes them vulnerable to this.
  • The arts colleges are mostly for half a day, so there are more escape routes for them from seniors.

        

          In my thought, the person who is indulging in ragging is a criminal and if it is proved means he/she must be removed from the college and shouldn’t be allowed to study anywhere in the country. They must also get the appropriate jail term. Only with the harder punishments evil practices will reduce. This culture can be removed from the culture books of college. It is not something like corruption which can’t be stopped at a go. If every related authority, puts their heart and work means this evil practice can be removed tomorrow itself. Is there anybody disagree with me??

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33 Comments leave one →
  1. viji permalink
    March 18, 2009 9:45 pm

    me here

    kanagu: 🙂

  2. viji permalink
    March 18, 2009 9:58 pm

    huh..terrible.. i dont knw how things in malaysia. in my uni.. NO RAGGING at all.

    but when i was schooling time, one of my frens fren told me, he got ragged in public university. They asked him to shake and get his sperm.. and he must compete with other junior students to see whose one is the most.

    what the hell yar…

    how worst the seniors can think..

    i agree with ur points kana, they must get punishment.!!!!

    kanagu: I know…. these kind of things were happening here also.. becos the human minds are so corrupted these days which wants to them put others into torture..
    and the one u hav said is a terrible one… can’t imagine the feelings of those boys.. 😦

    • viji permalink
      March 20, 2009 10:40 pm

      athaan..athan pavam paiyan.. that time i was 17, he 20 …

  3. March 18, 2009 10:18 pm

    Ragging… Man, there have been so many ugly cases lately. Isn’t it appalling..?

    But dude, what can be done..? Strict measures? Bull..! No one takes it up seriously in the first place. Of course, there are some colleges which are seriously taking steps. Still… It all boils down to the mentality of the student.

    Back in college, this is the definition of *senior* I learned – a fellow who got ragged as a junior and is on the look out for revenge on some other innocent junior.

    Post this to Jagruti sometime…

    I have been away for a week bro’… Will catch up on missed posts soon. Trust all is well with you.

    Peace.

    kanagu:
    /*Back in college, this is the definition of *senior* I learned – a fellow who got ragged as a junior and is on the look out for revenge on some other innocent junior.*/
    you are bang on kartz.. that’s the root cause.. everybody wants to gve a tit for tat..
    will post for sure Kartz..
    and as you mentioned nobody was ready to take it seriously.. 😦

  4. March 18, 2009 10:25 pm

    Ragging is what they call Hazing in the U.S. i would think most college campuses have some sort of program in place for students report these violations…it should not be tolerated at all anywhere…good on you for bringing this kind of conduct to the light…Zman sends

    kanagu: Yeah.. it’s everywhere… something needs to be done to eradicate this practice..
    thanks for the appreciation steve 🙂

  5. March 18, 2009 11:39 pm

    This must be unique to your country. I graduated from an engineering program; engineering students here rarely socialize.

    kanagu: Oh!! your comment is contrasting from Steve’s… but here the engineering thing is different.. it’s just another 😦

  6. March 18, 2009 11:52 pm

    I think ragging is more like taking advantage of another person to either humiliate or disrespect. The system starts with high fanda, politics, power and money. Students union.. what do they do? Cant they fight back such criminal acts all over India????

    kanagu: If there was an association in our country.. they won’t do well.. as an individual they like to eradicate this.. but as a team they willl be bowled out.. 😦
    and the thing you have mentined is right….. money and power plays everywhere 😦

  7. March 18, 2009 11:53 pm

    What can I say Kanagu? 😦
    Ragging takes lives..It can never be fun 😦
    and you are right about the medical and engineering students having to face this the most ..a lot of my friends have horror stories to tell..

    I absolutley agree with you They should be treated like Criminals and nothing less…
    Ragging is NOT harmless fun …

    kanagu: Thanks for accepting my views Indyeah!!
    anyway.. nobody can defend their actions on this.. becos it not their job to do those things.. it’s all crap

  8. March 19, 2009 1:36 am

    🙂 I agree with you dude…. ragging should be banned and authorities should take the strictest action….

    But I would also like to say something else… (and this is not in favor of ragging)

    (from personal experience) The ragging I was put through in college has helped a lot….
    I was introverted, etc etc … before joining college and that initial phase made me more resilient, strong and open to anything kind… 🙂 and we went thru a tough phase during those initial months…

    kanagu: Maybe.. you may got strong.. but many were broken due to this.. and it leads many of them to rag their juniors.. it’s a domino effect.. and I am glad that you are not supporting that..

  9. Chirag Chamoli permalink
    March 19, 2009 9:01 am

    Kangu, you’ll understand this, i have studied in Sathyabama so, I was never ragged 🙂 and neither I did. But, reading this makes it hard for us to really empathize with people who rags and force people to horrible thing.

    kanagu: Yeah.. I know about Sathyabama.. it’s a hell of a college.. if ragging is one problem means.. that kind of college is another problem.. 🙂

  10. March 19, 2009 11:02 am

    I was ragged and I have ragged but then that was just simple things like sing a song or dance like Govinda etc.

    These incidents about ragging is serious. In Mohd. Sadak College near Velacheri I think they make all Sudanese and Bengaladesi students to stand in the middle of the road with chappals on their head wearing just underwears. It is pathetic. Then there was an incident of VC, son who got murdered by seniors and they cut him into pieces. Sad!

    kanagu: Is it so, Solilo??? then it’s a worst thing.. see how we are treating our bros and sisters.. its pathetic..
    and they are from other countries.. what kind of impression they will get about us.. phew 😦

  11. March 19, 2009 12:22 pm

    ellam sonna boss- enga law colelge pathi vittutiyae… :((

    kanagu: Sorry boss… law college pathi enaku theriyathu.. neenga sonna kaetukalam..

  12. March 19, 2009 1:01 pm

    i was ragged but thank god not severely but i remember my fellow male students ragging and how bad it was… they survived but i dont know how many might have felt humiliated, a handful of them had to be hospitalised and probably some of then would carry the psychological scar throughout their lives!! 😦

    kanagu: See, we are calling the medical students are the best ones.. but their actions are just opposite to that… nobody is protesting to condemn this practice.. that’s really bad 😡

  13. March 19, 2009 1:35 pm

    This is just a propaganda of mistakes.

    People who commit suicide have there own problems and not just a school problem. But we don’t want people to end their life.

    We need to help each other so that we can avoid this kind of accident.

    kanagu: IS it so..??? that boy was died just because of beating./.. what u have to say about that..??
    we can’t hide under our mistakes….. we need to accept. instead of taking actions against those wrong doers, you are ready to call those who are attempting for suicide as coward.. oh what a world..??
    just go thru a torture like that and comment on this.. becos I went thru that..

  14. March 19, 2009 9:12 pm

    Ragging is a sick practice that has become progressively worse over the years to the point that much of it ought to be classified as a criminal activity now 😡 Even the cases of suicides/deaths resulting from ragging are under-reported 😦

    kanagu: Yes Raj… they are under-reported.. many things were going on like this… 😦

  15. March 19, 2009 10:02 pm

    my college was very strict with these kind of things. i never had these experiences.

    Destination Infinity

    kanagu: That’s great…

  16. March 19, 2009 10:26 pm

    this is really awful ….
    in the name of “breaking the ice” …….you are actually “breaking that person”
    shame and pity …….
    i too sometimes feel …..this year i too will be taking an admission in a college and if something like that happens i think i will surely blast off the concerned people and authorities as well ( i think when it comes to your rights and self respect you need to stand up in any case )

    kanagu: You have said correctly Arpit!!!!
    great to hear that.. you will voice out your opinion.. please do that.. and put a starting step to kill this practice.. 🙂

  17. March 20, 2009 12:28 am

    it can be eradicated if true intention exists…the issue needs to be sensationalised to the extent of hurting conscience of the parties involved – the head n other staff of educational instituion and the parents…Justice should not be delayed too given that it is provided in the first place….most acts of crime r commited by the stronger against the weaker – in that sense crime happens because power is unevenly balanced. So, the only solution is to empower all the weaker sections.

    still ragging does take lives..newspaper sidebars always have one story of ragigng related death or suicide! it recurs every now n then….is it such an issue that cannot be solved like the India-Pakistan stuff??? NO, it isnt.

    there was a case of a girl who had died mysteriously in sophia college hostel..her room mates were found guilty n i never heard about what happened later. few weeks back, i saw the verdict in newspaper nearly after a gap of maybe 10 yrs which was ‘nothing comparable to the loss’… these guilty girls came from ‘rich n powerful families’…isnt the judiciary to be blamed here?? bullies exploit the fact that they come from highly influencial families n have the license to do anything including buying the judiciary… the whole circuit sucks man…

    the tears in the fathers eyes who single-handedly followed his daughters murderers for nearly 10 long years is nothing at all…next day newspapers had more ‘ragging related’ stories

    my college principal had taken stringent steps..he has saved lives n also help boost our self esteem…n the faith in the education system.
    may all principals be like him

    kanagu: Do you know Vinnie???? Judiciary is another rotten system in this country.. everything will get late there due to some money process. once I get a whole thing of that I will post it here..
    Some college and principals wer taking some strict actions… bu we need more to stop this evil practice….
    I pity for those students who ends their life fue to this evil practice… what can they do out of frustration..??? it can be eradicated. Completely.. but true intention is needed

  18. March 20, 2009 3:15 am

    Ragging is indeed horrible ! Luckily, i have never been ragged. But yes, those occassional pulling legs happened, everything on a lighter tone though.

    I would blame it on the college. If they take a firm action againts ragging, I dont think the students could do anything even in private.

    In Kerala, I have heard that the ragging is more in the Law colleges !

    kanagu: that’s great to hear Vimal.. and is it so in Kerala… I never heard about it.. 😦

  19. March 20, 2009 9:26 pm

    In my dictionary ..ragging was just fun activities b/n senior and junior thats it….i gave ragging few times but that was just dancing and singing or some time cracking jokes..no torture..feeling very pity for andhra girl….
    but dont understand how you can be ready for giving ur life for this reason…cant u leave college and come back home…if things are so worst there…

    kanagu: One thing here we have to understand is, engineering and medical college seats were running in lakhs, so most of the students were paying it thru loans and debts.. so if they say so in their home.. what they will say… it will get better soon.. so you can go to the college now.. money plays a part here.. but a different one.. so to get a attention towards them.. they are going for this out of frustration…
    See Rashmi.. they have go thru this for a year.. at the moment they can’t about their life or studies.. and 19 is not a perfect age to decide on this.. I think so..
    you are a good senior 🙂

  20. March 20, 2009 9:59 pm

    History of Ragging

    – Harsh Agarwal

    Substantial ink has been spent in discussing the incidents and ill-effects of ragging but we have hardly ever tried to go deeper to the roots of this savage phenomenon which is rapidly eroding our education system.

    Ragging, Hazing, Fagging, Bullying, Pledging, Horse-playing etc. are different terms used in different parts of the world but each signifying the same old practice of welcoming the fresher in a barbaric manner. This phenomenon can be traced back to as early as 7th or 8th century A.D. In Greek culture, new entrants to the sport community were subjected to all kinds of humiliations and teasing to inculcate a team spirit in them. Gradually with the passage of time this technique was subjected to myriad modifications and was later adopted by the military forces, from there it finally entered in the education system.

    Since its inception in the educational arena, ragging underwent several modifications before morphing into an organized form of campus violence. During the 18th century forming a student organization in colleges was very much in vogue particularly in the European countries. This concept was later adopted by the U.S. universities as well. In the period 1828-1845, several student organizations popped up in the U.S. campuses. These were named after Greek letters like Alpha, Phi, Beta, Kappa, Epsilon, Delta etc and were called as Greek Letter Organizations (GLO’s) or Fraternities. The new entrants to these fraternities were known as Pledges and had to undergo an initiation process called pledging. During this time ragging (called as Hazing in west) existed in its rudimentary form and was merely a ritual to test the courage of the pledge.

    The first ragging related death occurred in 1873 when a freshman from Cornell University fell into a gorge as a consequence of ragging.
    Ragging underwent a massive transformation after World-War 1. It was during this time that it started to acquire its real brutal form. Soldiers returning from war re-entered the college and brought with them the technique of Hazing (ragging) they learned in military camp. These techniques were used to make individual fail as an individual and succeed as a team. This philosophy of team development continued to be used in different fraternities. Eventually when fewer military students entered college these techniques were passed onto others who did not understand their purpose or usage and ragging became a brutal and hazardous exercise. Gradually in the early 20th century ragging related violence started to escalate in the western countries.

    In India the tradition of ragging was imported along with the English education. Though it existed in the Army and English public schools much before the country’s independence, it became conspicuous only after independence. Ragging then meant seniors mocking and jesting at juniors. Till the late 60’s ragging was never a serious problem in India as it was relatively in a much milder form, primarily because higher education was confined to some particular section of the society. Gradually as the higher education became more and more accessible to different communities, ragging became a soft weapon to settle the animosity between students of different castes, communities and religion, region, etc.

    Deep influence of the media during the 80’s made ragging much more brutal and violent in India. Soon ragging became a measuring rod to test the grit of the seniors. Many seniors, who were reluctant to rag their juniors, finally succumbed to peer pressure. It is still an important factor in Indian ragging.

    During the early 90’s rapid mushrooming of new private Engineering and Medical colleges led to several disastrous experiments with this old practice of ragging. It made Southern India a hub of this brutal activity. During the 90’s ragging related suicides began to increase at a rapid rate.
    In 1997 Tamil Nadu, which was one of the worst affected state, became the first province in India to bring legislation against ragging. In 2001, the Hon’ble Supreme Court of India banned ragging throughout the country. It was now left to the college authorities to enforce this law. Gradually the daytime ragging in campus, which was comparatively a safer mode of interaction started to disappear while more threatening and virulent ragging in the hostels continues to thrive in most of the colleges.

    We tend to forget that ragging is a western culture and is deleterious in a multi-ethnic and diverse society such as India. Even in the west ragging was always used as tool to take out vengeance between the Blacks and Whites. In India, a myth that ragging makes the fresher bold has always existed. This has given a passive social approbation to this cruel practice. As long as this exists ragging will never see its demise.

    In its several years of existence ragging has done more harm than good. It has claimed lives of several thousand innocent students all across the world. Today, ragging no longer exists in its brutal form at places where it actually originated but is rapidly proliferating in the under-developed and developing nations of the world. Presently Sri Lanka is the worst affected country in the world. Has ragging reached its pinnacle or is the worst yet to come? How many more lives will it claim before our society wakes up? Perhaps only time shall answer these questions.

    (Harsh Agarwal is a Co-founder of Coalition to Uproot Ragging from Education, CURE, estd. 2001 http://www.noragging.com and a former consultant to Raghavan Committee on Ragging and can be reached at harsh.agarwal@noragging.com)

  21. March 22, 2009 1:38 am

    The situation is specially bad in Medical colleges. I have been ragged in college and then again in my hostel but it never went beyond a limit. But beating someone up goes beyond being inhuman. What is the point of being educated then?

    kanagu: That’s what happened and happening now… which makes me to ask the same questions.. we must instill values among the children ..

  22. March 22, 2009 1:31 pm

    its sad and i so condemn it… thankfully i have never ever been ragged in my life…the movie Gulaal however evoked anger and frustration in me…its a pity and something should be done about this…

    kanagu: We can easily curb this practice by some strict laws not even at th enational level just at the college level is enough

  23. March 23, 2009 7:16 pm

    hmmm … ragging …. im a pharmacy stu n from malaysia/UK

    well we were ragged too in our uni but it was fun … i donno how things in India/sri lanka ( assuming the author is from IN/SL) but maybe thats a problem in your country …

    ragging is something we (senior and junior) look forward to during our first year in our uni . thats the time when we all have fun and become friends….

    your country is so sad …

    kanagu: It’s existing everywhere Obi!! Have you read Viji’s comment.. it’s there also.. so don’t think our country is the only one which is suffering..
    here also fun thing is there.. but at times it goes overboard..
    Anyway.. welcome here Obi!!!

  24. March 24, 2009 11:43 am

    Juniors who were ragged by seniors, want to show their dominance and an oppurtunity to exercise once they become senior… It happens as a cylic.. Ragging s accepted only if not going to personal and physical abuses!! Sometimes ragging at light hearted like sing a song, dance, do mimics can create a friendly atmosphere between Sr-Jr

    kanagu: I know about.. just want to give what they have got.. but if it leads to death means it becomes as a debatable one..

  25. March 24, 2009 1:02 pm

    great that you pointed out kanagu – it is really a disturbing thing. Education is one phase of live where we “believe” our next generation learn the best and find themselves fit for the world! But with ths they are leaning the worst and fly from the world!

    kanagu: yeah.. this is another black mark in our education system 😦

  26. March 24, 2009 7:54 pm

    You are tagged :

    http://vimalsparadise.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-to-power-of-25.html

    Buhahahahahaha !!!

    kanagu: Thanks Vimal 🙂

  27. March 26, 2009 8:12 pm

    As I have written in my recent post on my memories of ragging;there should be harmless ragging in the right manner, within limits of decency and human rights. Harmless ragging means no physical infliction of pain should be involved and no demeaning act should be asked to perform. Such ragging is actually lots of fun and gives us good memories of college & hostel life.

    P.S. Your last sentence “Is there anybody disagree with me??” sounds quite threatening!!! as if nobody dare disagree with u else…

    • March 27, 2009 2:23 am

      I have read that.. if it is happening in that way means.. it’s
      well and good.. but there are more horror stories.. which made
      me to hit out at this practice.. already many lives are lost due to
      the illa handling of this practice..
      death can’t be left as a one-off incident, right??

      /*Your last sentence “Is there anybody disagree with me??” sounds quite threatening!!! as if nobody dare disagree with u else*/
      oh!! sorry.. blame it on my poor english knowledge.. I don’t want to
      be rude.. just asking whether it is right or wrong.. you can
      disagree with me 🙂

  28. April 15, 2009 6:26 pm

    This is very hot info. I’ll share it on Twitter.

  29. rajesh permalink
    September 19, 2011 12:31 pm

    fuck the senior i am from kanpur studied in lu but and when the senior came to rag us (4 other guys from kanpur u.p) well being a kanpuria we were borne gunda we were waiting for them there were only 8 senior who came to our room to take us for ragging but we were ready for them with hocky sticks and cricket stump as soon as they enterd our room we started beating them brutally(the senior who opened the door got his nose cracked) and we beat them from night till morning and when they left they were half dead they went to police but police took the matter as normal clashe between student college authorities were healpless cos we told them if any action will they take against us we will open to media and tell that there was ragging attampt n they are supporting senior. those healpless poor senior were so scared of us they never came within 100 ft radious where we go so we lived our full sem with ease n there was not a single senior who dare to rag us so any new fresher going to collage dont afraid of your senior they r just like street dogs kick there ass and kick them hard n if matter go over your head then take the advantage of new anti ragging law .

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